Comments on: The Apple Effect http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect Gadget obsessed tech chat Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:17:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Micro$oft or CrApple « MaFt’s Musings http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect/comment-page-1#comment-215 Micro$oft or CrApple « MaFt’s Musings Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:54:53 +0000 http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/?p=543#comment-215 [...] the end of 2008 one of my bosses gave me his MacBook Pro (see here for proof: "...5 years later I’m on my third MacBook, one has been passed on to a colleague...") as my [...] [...] the end of 2008 one of my bosses gave me his MacBook Pro (see here for proof: "…5 years later I’m on my third MacBook, one has been passed on to a colleague…") as my [...]

]]> By: Steve Hearn http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect/comment-page-1#comment-197 Steve Hearn Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:42:39 +0000 http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/?p=543#comment-197 I have a similar story as a heavy PC user for many years. It was OSX Leopard that finally made me go out and buy my iMac, as well as the frustrations with virus software programs on my PC although to be fair to Microsoft, that is it not really their problem. But I made the switch. To cut a long story short, I love my Mac BUT it had me in knots and problems the first year. Apple simply do not acknowledge very experienced PC users who understand how computers work in connection with the Mac switch and problems with having a Mac. My iMac has crashed once or twice & froze on me once and I have had many other niggles that were Apple's 'fault' & not my mine. Today my Imac is 3 years old and runs well but still throws me a side ball from time to time. I must say again that I love the Mac, as a cartoonist it feels like the Mac is made for people like just like me. Photoshop no longer crashes as it used to on the PC and in general it does 'just work'. I still like Microsoft and believe they have a good product and I love the Mac, but I am also a critic of the Mac and do not simply rant about them as some of the Apple heads do! Ok, Jobs keynote in under an hour, gotta fly! I have a similar story as a heavy PC user for many years. It was OSX Leopard that finally made me go out and buy my iMac, as well as the frustrations with virus software programs on my PC although to be fair to Microsoft, that is it not really their problem. But I made the switch. To cut a long story short, I love my Mac BUT it had me in knots and problems the first year. Apple simply do not acknowledge very experienced PC users who understand how computers work in connection with the Mac switch and problems with having a Mac. My iMac has crashed once or twice & froze on me once and I have had many other niggles that were Apple’s ‘fault’ & not my mine. Today my Imac is 3 years old and runs well but still throws me a side ball from time to time. I must say again that I love the Mac, as a cartoonist it feels like the Mac is made for people like just like me. Photoshop no longer crashes as it used to on the PC and in general it does ‘just work’. I still like Microsoft and believe they have a good product and I love the Mac, but I am also a critic of the Mac and do not simply rant about them as some of the Apple heads do! Ok, Jobs keynote in under an hour, gotta fly!

]]> By: MaFt http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect/comment-page-1#comment-196 MaFt Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:06:53 +0000 http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/?p=543#comment-196 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT :D I'm happy to say that I like both and I was actually in the middle of posting a blog saying as much when Darren beat me to it... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT :D

I’m happy to say that I like both and I was actually in the middle of posting a blog saying as much when Darren beat me to it…

]]> By: DarrenG http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect/comment-page-1#comment-195 DarrenG Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:57:36 +0000 http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/?p=543#comment-195 Each to their own but I stand by that statement. I don't know what you were trying to achieve with your Mac Mini but I've never had to delve into the command line to configure a network setting! If you buy a MacPro and a disk fails you don't have to get it repaired by Apple, parts are readily available. Mac Mini, iMac etc are all laptop hardware and as with any PC laptop, are not user repairable, nothing unusual there, that's not a Mac issue, the same would happen with any similar form factor PC based design. I commend your home build experience, but I neither have the time nor the inclination to build a machine and then mess about with all the drivers and issues that need tweaking to get it running properly. As has been demonstrated on many occasions, a comparable 'branded' high-end PC will have a similar cost to a comparatively specced Mac Pro. How much would your home build have cost from HP or Dell, rather more than £600 I suspect. I don't want to start yet another PC/Mac flame war, my post was simply a summary of my experience and I'm glad you're happy with your choices too. Each to their own but I stand by that statement. I don’t know what you were trying to achieve with your Mac Mini but I’ve never had to delve into the command line to configure a network setting!

If you buy a MacPro and a disk fails you don’t have to get it repaired by Apple, parts are readily available. Mac Mini, iMac etc are all laptop hardware and as with any PC laptop, are not user repairable, nothing unusual there, that’s not a Mac issue, the same would happen with any similar form factor PC based design.

I commend your home build experience, but I neither have the time nor the inclination to build a machine and then mess about with all the drivers and issues that need tweaking to get it running properly. As has been demonstrated on many occasions, a comparable ‘branded’ high-end PC will have a similar cost to a comparatively specced Mac Pro. How much would your home build have cost from HP or Dell, rather more than £600 I suspect.

I don’t want to start yet another PC/Mac flame war, my post was simply a summary of my experience and I’m glad you’re happy with your choices too.

]]> By: Chris Lowry http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/tech/the-apple-effect/comment-page-1#comment-194 Chris Lowry Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:38:23 +0000 http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/?p=543#comment-194 I have to say, I disagree with the statement "But they require much less user maintenance and work, every time." My experience of the Macs I've used is that software crashes about as often as programs in XP; as in Final Cut Pro, Firefox, and a few others. Not a lot, but then XP doesn't crash a lot either. (I think we are all agreed that Vista was a #fail!) My experience of my home built PC is that it has been flawless. My experience of my Mac Mini was that it just didn't have the capabilities for PC/Mac/Linux networking - I found myself having to go into the command line to configure some settings! That is linux territory, and a far cry from the simplicity I was promised! Finally, the hardware. Because you are stuck buying their produce, you have to get it repaired with them. My desktop, the power unit goes, I buy a new one for £30, no problem. My mate, his iMac stopped working, he had to pay about £200 for a new power unit! And then it broke again 6 months later! Mac have a lot of good going for them, but when me and Maft built my PC nearly a year ago, it cost under £600 for Intel Q9550 quad core 2.83ghz processor, 4Gig ram, Wifi, Ridiculously good Graphics card, 2 DVDR drives, firewire and 640gig HDD. I went to the Mac shop, and the most similar option we could get was over £2000. It is NOT going to provide me with £1400 extra productivity or £1400 less crashes, and if it breaks outside of the warranty, I suspect it will cost me a lot more to fix it. That said, they are very pretty! I have to say, I disagree with the statement “But they require much less user maintenance and work, every time.”

My experience of the Macs I’ve used is that software crashes about as often as programs in XP; as in Final Cut Pro, Firefox, and a few others. Not a lot, but then XP doesn’t crash a lot either. (I think we are all agreed that Vista was a #fail!)

My experience of my home built PC is that it has been flawless. My experience of my Mac Mini was that it just didn’t have the capabilities for PC/Mac/Linux networking – I found myself having to go into the command line to configure some settings! That is linux territory, and a far cry from the simplicity I was promised!

Finally, the hardware. Because you are stuck buying their produce, you have to get it repaired with them. My desktop, the power unit goes, I buy a new one for £30, no problem. My mate, his iMac stopped working, he had to pay about £200 for a new power unit! And then it broke again 6 months later!

Mac have a lot of good going for them, but when me and Maft built my PC nearly a year ago, it cost under £600 for Intel Q9550 quad core 2.83ghz processor, 4Gig ram, Wifi, Ridiculously good Graphics card, 2 DVDR drives, firewire and 640gig HDD. I went to the Mac shop, and the most similar option we could get was over £2000.

It is NOT going to provide me with £1400 extra productivity or £1400 less crashes, and if it breaks outside of the warranty, I suspect it will cost me a lot more to fix it.

That said, they are very pretty!

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